Caesar's Legion is a ruthless slaver society who is at the doorstep of the NCR (New California Republic) and Mr. House in Fallout: New Vegas. Though he does terrible, unforgivable things, he doesn't see himself as "evil": everything he does is for a good reason in his eyes. Caesar and Lannius repsectively. i almost wish i could have ghengis khan encounter this world and see just how he might handle it. [–]MxPlumeOverBitch Wannabe 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). All anyone seemed concerned about in Fallout 3 was the super mutants and the Enclave. Caesar clearly states in his dialogue that his entire goal for taking over the Mojave, ins't just to expand, it's to transform his nomadic empire, into a true state with real staying power. I remember walking into Nipton and seeing the burnt town with the people up on crosses. You're solid on other points and he'd be very effective against other tribals, but IRL, against modern soldiers they'd be reduced to a small gang of raiders and nothing more. They won't tax you, you won't be evicted, and if they tried you would blast them to oblivion like you did the raiders. Those unable to fill these expectations die, but it's more resources for those that can survive. vDialogueN_GREETING_001754D2_1 Topic GREETING GREETING Honored to speak with you, sir. (The God Of War) Charisma- 1 The Legion has no time to talk to Profligates. They would need to know how to hack computers or lockpick to get past some areas. People are driven to join the Legion as much as they are drawn to it. Being a part of the Empire, even if it will make fighting the Thalmor easier, will still cost the Nords their homogeneity due to the typical globalisation and migration effect that empires have. As usual, soldiers are fools & tools. It's just writted with the ass for make the Enclave eviiiil, admit it. Probably because Bethesda would be incapable of making them interesting or with any depth. I don't know if you forgot high school history but slaves have been historically an extremely valuable commodity that pays for itself and more, [–]JakalDXAradesh died for this shit 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children). If Benny escaped from The Tops at the conclusion of Ring-a-Ding-Ding! I haven't played with explosives or melee/unarmed either. Actually, it doesn't effect anything in gameplay except for the ending, I guess that Yes Man wants you more alliance than any of the others, go with whatever you want, all it does is just going around the hoover dam and see the supporters of yours taking over or defend. People like him because it is easy to fall in love with social Darwinism and authoritarianism when society breaks down and people are pushed to the limit. If a raider gang shows up you'll just blast them away in any case. Which is why it is a shame we never got to see a true Legion-controlled settlement rather than just military camps and war zones. The Survivalist, a tough loner who plays on Very Hard Hardcore mode. From vaultmp.com and the brickster.net group. It's a way for them to outcompete the NCR, if not on quality then on quantity. Maybe. If Walmart owned slaves, then they would have to pay to take care of them. [–]dutchwonder 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). Cuba has by far the best medical system in latin America. [–]lodewijkbob 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). That's what slavery is. Caesar plans on turning New Vegas into his Rome. halls of Congress or among the American people. No one can know that Graham is alive. "Justice" is swift and cruel. [–]emaw63Obsessed with mugs 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]Cotrop 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children). While you can certainly empathize with the Polish in wanting to reclaim their land, you know that this rebellion could only lead to the genocide of the Polish people. [–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children), absolutely. In most wars and conflicts (not all but most), armies that are better equiped will win simply because they can do more and better than their opponents. Elder Maxson was a bigot, but if you dig deep into his motivations it's really to eliminate ferals and super mutants as well as a dangerously dogmatic obsession with hoarding tech but for the twisted purposes of "protecting" people. Staunchly religious people's minds are dominated by emotion over analytic thinking, a study has suggested [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children), Reasons to support the Stormcloaks: How do you stop legion assassins I have sided with mr house the entire game and now caesars legion assassins just tried to kill me and i only just escaped, is there anythin i can do to stop legion assassins trying to kill me, and if not: how common are these attacks [–]Motherdragon64Chandler Bing 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). The status of raiders in the ncr has practically become a meme at this point. I thought everyone agreed more or less that they were the bad guys? Caesar's Legion as it currently stands is a warrior culture. In time successors will take over the mantle. For these reasons Caesar's Legion is, most logically, the strongest/most survivable group in the Mojave Wasteland, which is possibly why people would support them. Or could, even if they wanted to. [–]WallaceIsMyWaifuExplains Fallout 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children). [–]SigournAsk me about New Vegas mods 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (4 children). Piracy is a permanent ban, no warnings. If you like freedom, go with Yes Man. I love the Legion as far as lore and design, and I found them really interesting to explore and learn about in-game, but I definitely see them as being the obvious "in your face" bad guys and the NCR as being the insidious "pretending to be good guys" bad guys. So one could brush off all the evil things the legion does as mere collateral damage because they rid their land of more raiders. so yes u are right, the Legion does win. To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace. Altogether there were 43, ranging in age from 19 to 32. Vulpes outright states that the reason he did that to Nipton was because the town was "Selling itself to the highest bidder". Confusing the two is literally what they teach you NOT to do in English classes. The ncr isn't committing atrocities to their prisoners so the active raiders aren't as horrified of the outcome. It would be out of character for him to have any interactions besides the fight. You need to read more carefully mate. So the best course of action would be to squash the rebellion, restore order, and one day, drive the Russian invaders from your land. It wouldn't make sense for him to give a foreigner power so soon, but it'd be cool if you could genuinely join the Legion and earn his trust. Definitely the most unnerving in fallout, imo. The Legion is actually well-equipped for the terrain that the fighting takes place in. I mean think about it. (Historical Propriety. To me they are not even morally grey sure they keep their roads safe but the fact that completely devastating a town is okay to them is atrocious ( yes the town was corrupt but did everyone need to suffer I doubt everyone was bad). "B-but roads are safe!" Right now, the Legion is at a point in development wherein they're highly militaristic and actively engaged in campaigns nigh constantly. I don't like or agree with them, but the main part of the Legion's appeal, I think -- at least as far as the characters in Fallout go -- is that they bring safety and order to the places that they occupy. The Legion appears to have an almost Social Darwinist view of the world. So clearly this is a man of high intelligence! Complaining about the Stormcloaks being evil is as ridiculous and asinine as it would be to complain that the Stormcloaks eat meat as opposed to being vegetarian. and slowly turn the wasteland into your own kingdom by acquisition instead of Legion-like conquest and NCR forced assimilation. Medicine. Josh Sawyer admitted that the way they ended up portraying the Legion wasn't what they intended to, and most of the content had to be cut from the game. Doesn't matter if we later find out its a town of crooks and gang bangers. Not long into their travels, the group was captured by the Blackfoot tribe and held for ransom.At the time, the tribe warred against seven other tribes and suffered from a lack of skill in warfare. One thing I always think about, though, is how Yes Man says he is going away to become "more assertive". This is the official VaultMP page for the Nexus New Vegas. Could you recommend a build for me? [–]YouGurt_MaN14 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (1 child). Just consider this. Raiders aren't attacking day glow and Redding. This is almost never the case anywhere else. Home; Practice Areas; About; News; Contact; Phone: +44(0)7723465484 I mean, it was a huge part of Roman history. The following member of the dynasty is lighter, and loved--the hard stuff has already been done. Therefore, people assume he would be a hope of sorts for the wasteland since he can attain this power, and while it would be true, his structure is so twisted at it's core even he himself can turn his loyal slaves against him through one change that doesn't suit his character. Even in the game, the places where I tend to find Legion soldiers are sort of uneven, hilly, rough terrains where uniforms, heavy guns and power armor don't count as much. The frank horrigan encounter is amazing. The romans were not fair and fun-loving at first, they conquered and killed and enslaved all they came across. This continues until everything falls into disarray, where the human-survival is at risk, where another dynasty comes up and takes over with a new iron fist. What's the point of using unpaid human labor that requires feeding and a place to sleep and always has a possibility of lashing out against their oppressors or owners when you can build a machine that can do ten times the work, doesn't complain and only requires a bit of maintenance to do its job? Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. Fallout 76 PSA: Santatron Collectron gathers Holiday Gifts for you. There are good reasons for them to sell slaves. [–]ltsBuck 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child), I've wanted that too, if the story were longer that would be a neat option. Get involved . Which brings me to the next point. It's cruel, but very logical. They've tried having some characters say that the land occupied by the legion is save for trading and free from raiders but i figure that's because the legion would crucify your ass whereas the NCR would toss you in prison, were you wouldn't be starving at least. I'm sure successors would step up but I don't think the Legion is capable of creating leaders as charismatic as Caesar. Fallout: New Vegas has been scientifically proven to be the greatest game of all-time, and you can’t argue with science. Caesar's legion won't survive him, it would turn into a Alexander the Great's heirs situation. In game, hell even in dialouge we never learn what they use slaves for. Boones wife, for one. technically we are speaking soley about Tribal women here. I think Ceasar would do better if he fought an assasins war were he tried to train his people to join the NCR and then kill the higher ups. Because the alternative is the NCR which is basically set up to embody the worst of an inefficient bureaucracy, I suppose. We did. Well OP it seems you see that people are making the exact same arguments as the ones you already know are nonsense in this thread still. I'm relatively new to Reddit in that I didn't have it when I played Oblivion/Fallout 3/New Vegas/Skyrim a lot, so Fallout 4 is almost all I've discussed and read about in this sub. [–]MyHonkyFriend 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children). Some people like order and law above all else, even if that causes the persecution of some. My legion run was bent on "yeah this shit is messed up. [–]Katamariguy1 END 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children). Follow proper Reddiquette when submitting and commenting. Women actually had more rights in Ancient Rome than they do in the legion. ". (This is partly a wish for the great khans... but they were so weak), [–]AltusIsXDLONG LIVE THE BEAR 252 points253 points254 points 3 years ago* (8 children). Reasons to support the Empire: I'm a simple guy like that. He has no interest in talking to the chosen one, so he doesn't beyond his introduction. They crucify in hopes that it will deter people, and bring law and order to the wastes. In naval terms, the NCR is a sluggish, poorly protected aircraft carrier and the Legion is the submarine stalking it. I'd imagine that the Legion's character would very much shift once it gained a real proper center of operations. Oh and did I mention how if you're a woman you're automatically fucked? ", [–]pieceofchess 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (1 child). Would love to see people justify this. There's a trophy for killing him with a knife. that a certain group is evil, if they place even the slightest actual reasoning behind them, people will say that they are the good guys (For example, look at Slytherin from the HP series; they have always been shown as the bad guys, but there are still tonnes of people defending them), [–]BenChandler 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children), and the best was seen within their territory. Die for us or we'll kill you". It is not the home Caesar wants for his carefully crafted copy of the Roman Empire. It's not like I spent 2 years studying this or anything. [–]SuperintendentDan 61 points62 points63 points 3 years ago (0 children). The group included Follower Edward Sallow, who met with the New Canaanite missionary Joshua Graham, a specialist in tribal dialects. To say the least, it holds up and is way less of a chore to play through then FO4. [–]JyuconceptsProud Brotherhood Scum 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (11 children), The question was "Why do people defend the legion so much?". I bet a lot of this stuff has been said/posited before. But hey, wanting to subject over 50% of the population to rape and slavery isnt that bad. This produces seasoned warriors, expert caretakers, and a strong/experienced workforce. The sale of slaves brings them material benefit. Those are both from the Legion victory slides. 67 points68 points69 points 3 years ago (4 children). Solicitors in Ilford, Essex. It's easy for us living in our comfortable world to say, "That's not worth the price of the Legion's brutal methods." But in recently-subjugated lands, you wouldn't know it. [+]Brandonmac10 comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (3 children). They're "good" in the sense that you really want to learn about this society, how it works and why. Well, maybe these days you can, but you shouldn’t. They could have kidnapped them if they really wanted to, but killing them was a far easier solution that effectively achieved the exact same goal. their culture is being suppressed; 3.) [–]HughesJohnEnclave 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children). Now those leaders are acting like they will invade Saudi Arabia because it's not a country religious enough. This article is within the scope of the Fallout: New Vegas dialogue project.This project is designed to allow users to link to pages containing a character's dialogue for simpler and cleaner references by sorting through, cleaning up and categorizing quotes from every major character in Fallout: New Vegas..If you want to participate, please check the project page. Ways to give Things to do Poppy Appeal Remembrance “I love being a member. They even go so far to say that the NCR isn't any better because they have some corrupt politicians in their government, and that they're expansionist. He is basically what people see as someone who had the ability to gain power and control that fast in the wasteland, yet uses the methods he does to attain it. I think the reason people don't see Caesar as evil is because Caesar is such a well-written villain. Most of my IRL friends that also play can't understand why I hate the NCR, though. IDK, I'm rambling I guess. Because technology is what killed off the popularity or purpose of slavery, and there's plenty of it to salvage and re-engineer in the wasteland. (The God Of War) Charisma- 1 The Legion has no time to talk to Profligates. The answer was, "because they're an exceptionally well written faction". The dawn of a new dynasty seemed to be the complete iron fist. [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). Aside from Caesar being interestingly written, there was never a doubt in my mind that the sexist, crucifixion obsessed slavers were the definitive "evil" faction in the game. [–]BoobieBoobieButtButt 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children). Ostatnie wpisy na blogu. Civilized in this case means romanized. Is he evil? He's not like the other final bosses. Is this a known bug, or have I missed something? All you see is the military wing, which of course will be harshly regulated. The legion is a … Las Vegas' economy has been hit hard. "The Legion came in and listened, supported and helped us come back together as a family." Likewise Legion lands are egalitarian to a fault. As gathered from design documents. There's a reason and a logic to their evil. They get to focus on the human well-being rather than the human-survival. Free, but constantly in danger; safer, and sort of free, but consumed by corruption; or safe and honest, but brutal beyond imagination. Now there's a man who was a walking cartoon character! I'm actually pleasantly surprised reading through this thread that it's a generally well-accepted idea that they are basically dicks as well. [–]ltsBuck 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). Exactly. Last Defense Eliminate the lieutenant leading the assault. 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child). The production of new soldiers. 1 Full dialogue table. Las Vegas unemployment numbers hit Great Recession levels Businesses across the country are facing new restrictions as COVID-19 cases surge. I mean it's kinda unfair comparing Caesar's Legion in FNV to civilized life in Ancient Rome. He's a petty, vindictive man, wanting to rub the grown-ups' nose in it for not putting him in charge of everything to begin with. IMO any game that can make you literally hate the villan, has done it's job and is a great game. If their group interests you, it is possible to join their ranks and serve under Caesar. Let's say a Polish rebellion starts, similar to the Stormcloak rebellion. He was able to get so many followers because of his knowledge and life experience. In AoD, even fighting two people at a time is very dangerous (as it should be). Very well put, much better than I could ever hope for. "Pure evil" is something invented by religion and cartoons directed at children, or very bad movies who think "villainy" is something you choose to do for the sake of it. I'm not disagreeing they aren't morally grey (they're not, rather they're quite clearly evil), but I am disagreeing they are ISIS, though there are similarities. The Decimation is in hopes of deterring soldiers from making stupid decisions. And it's poorly written/make no sense. Same with the Mongolians. They made a Pax Romana, and it was great! They'rE almostly comically evil and the narrative makes no attempt to redeem anything they do. That's part of what makes him a great villain. Endurance- 9 The Legion doesn’t believe in stimpacks,and chems being useful that it is an insult to Mars. So why are there more slaves today, in this age of the most advanced technology the world has ever seen, than in any other year in the history of our species? Hence Hitler, but in fiction form, wouldn't be cartoonishly evil. I feel like part of the family and I've made so many new friends.” About us. ), [–]AltusIsXDLONG LIVE THE BEAR 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child). As far as villains go, Caesar's Legion is almost on the same level as The Master's Army. If they overwork them and the slaves die, so be it. Legion only actually enslaves tribal women, and only militarises tribal men. For me, my issue with the Legion is that the follow-Up seemed to be legate lanius, who would NOT be a good transition. © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. From the looks of their settlement, there was probably more that they intended to do with the Khans and then it was nixed or they never got around to it. He lays on the symbolism pretty thick himself, calling the Colorado river his Rubicon, New Vegas his Rome. I love new vegas to death, but the legion wasnt shown well at all. What I attempted to do in this poll is get a better feel for why those people that do not or cannot support the Legion feel that way. They know Third World countries. Caesars New Regime Legion Power Armor RolePlayers alternative start Check out my other mods: "Balanced NCR Armor" "In The NCR" "In the Brotherhood" and "My Nelson House" WARNING DO NOT FORGET TO DEACTIVATE MOD IF YOU SWITCH TO A CHARACTER YOU DONT WANT IN THE LEGION FACTION! How do you explain the Enclave can kidnap entire vault/village and not 2 guys and a kid ? You have a point. Always follow Reddit guidelines for self-promotion when sharing your own content. By all means, tell me what I'm doing wrong. If anyone wants me to expand on the other factions I'd be glad to, but as it stands i'll be focusing on Caesar's Legion as it's the post's focus. A question regarding Fallout 4 and its settlement shops. Yeah I'm sure your logic is amazing. [–]GravelvoiceCatpupils 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (3 children), The desert (for exploration) is the bestest, Just an excuse to have roman empire cosplayers, [–]superlucci 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child), [–]GravelvoiceCatpupils 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), (It's supposed to go along with Way Back Home BTW just in case you didn't know), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOv5Z5uivP0, [–]someone_FINJumpin' Jesus on a Pogo Stick 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]SUBJUGATOR001Ghouls in Rockets 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). The Legion was originally supposed to have a lot more presence than they do, but most of their content was cut in order to meet production deadlines, so they're basically an incomplete faction. [–]PGM_biggunRoams around, around, around 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). Vault 13 and Arroyo were an infinitely higher priority for the Enclave, and thus they sent a lot more soldiers to deal with them. So I want to play the legion once, with Caesar's regime and Factions Reloaded - Legion mods, (no other mods though). I do agree with you that the Legion was underdeveloped, though. They have seen poverty, political instability, disease and war. Posts promoting or facilitating piracy in any way will be removed. Thank you! Something similar with Gaunter O'Dim from W3:HoS. [–]AutoModerator[M] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). This scene wouldn't shock me if it was into a fake RPG such a Final Fantasy. Oh wait the Legion brutally massacred everybody who dared to oppose them, even for minor things like drinking and doing drugs. Rendered by PID 30456 on r2-app-01d298756a9da77a1 at 2020-12-18 18:31:17.206179+00:00 running 38155e9 country code: US. 1.) Women actually had more rights in Ancient Rome than they do in the legion, and even slaves had some rights. [–]Vault121 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children), https://www.google.fr/search?q=frank+horrigan+encounter&oq=frank+horrigan+encounter&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2j69i61.3189j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8, [–]Swampeyaway1 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child). We don't see it though. Obsidian was very short on time so they had to slap something together in a hurry. Then on that we disagree. I always had the feeling that the Legion was meant to be the obvious bad guy faction in the game. You'll also not suffer from NCR's corruption, since you don't depend on them. They do also buy slaves, as for the Mojave residents, they are mostly from Nipton(Who Legion hates) and the NCR(Who Legion hates). To add to your argument about Caesar's death, and the supposed resulting instability that would follow. It is a great defense against wrestlers as well as strikers who aren’t as adept in the art. They want to reward bravery and smarts, loyalty and initiative. What they do is wrong but their history and morals ? If it had better outfits and much more content, I would side with them in every playthrough. I have finished this game in every possible way except legion. The Weathers family, too. [–]krackbaby 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (8 children). It's very unfair, but a population of labourers that do everything you need them to do is effective. The reason why they destroyed Nipton is because Nipton was a place full of rapists and douchebags. Seems PC players is having the worst time. He has no respect for towns in which the locals have no loyalties, so destroyed it, and forced its inhabitants to enter a lottery. That, and AngryArmour's comment is why I love the Legion as a faction so much. [–]Motherdragon64Chandler Bing 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children). Everyone else has already explained why they'll fall, but it seems no one explains the choice they instead advance and use better technology. Sure, New Vegas was riddled with bugs, the combat is bland, and it didn’t exactly look pretty even when it was released in 2010. [–]SigournAsk me about New Vegas mods 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children). [–]HughesJohnEnclave 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children), Not me, honestly. It should be harder for femCourier to earn the trust of the common Legionary given the sexist attitudes amongst the Legion. [–]TheWombatFromHellNCR 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]HughesJohnEnclave 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). Simple sexual pleasure. Welcome to reddit! Not only that, but many of the advanced tech that the NCR has that the Legion does not, is already extremely limited. The Legion state has everyone obey through fear. And so we need to somehow weave them into the game's narrative and so this is a world in which you can save many lifes by killing tons of people because these People you kill are murderers and you can shoot them on sight because they are Raiders and therefore they are so very evil that their piss is distilled malevolence. No. There less referring to its government and far more talking about its perceived morals. 100% but he is also 200% more interesting that the main antagonist of the W3 main story. What the hell was wrong with the Frank Horrigan encounter? Like, they're very interesting villains but their entire formation is one violent mess. To me, that would've fit much better with the ending where you kill Mr. House and claim New Vegas for your own. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. The worst of them, however, is Caesar’s Legion. But when I succeed Caeser, I'll make it all better.". [–]SabyZNCR 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). Very well put, much better than I could ever hope for. Español - Latinoamérica (Spanish - Latin America), Português - Brasil (Portuguese - Brazil), Which is the best Iron revolver in the game. Some players gain a great deal of satisfaction killing legionaries because they are the bad guys, an attitude the legionaries themselves display when killing profligates. Hah. I don't know how they would've made a faction that kidnaps people to enslave them not be evil. Isn't that exactly what Caesar is doing, though? I'll preface this with the fact I'm indifferent to NV (played it, liked it, not my favorite Fallout though), just in case the "rose tinted glasses" argument comes up. Very much. Black and white conflicts are not believable. The Legion is, at its heart, a society of the strong, collected from past societies for the purpose of diversity and growth. 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